I’ve been trying to write a post about critical hits and fumbles for awhile now. A stupidly long while, actually. Like, a month and a half. I’ve had this general idea about wanting to discuss the various ways I’ve seen people handle attack rolls of 1 or 20, but I haven’t been able to pin down what I want to say about it.
I first got to thinking about this when I started playing in my friend Gustie’s Anomalous Subsurface Environment game, where I am a thief named Nire the Dead. Gustie has a really cool method of handling critical hits, where the attacker can either deal double damage, or do ‘something cool.’ It’s a mechanic which doesn’t simply allow players to be creative and try crazy things, but encourages it. A player can always say they want to try something cool, but often the odds of success make a simple attack the obviously better choice. By pre-confirming that something cool will work, the mechanic has an incredibly freeing effect on the player’s imagination.
All of that said, I don’t know if I would want to implement Gustie’s system in Pathfinder. Combat maneuvers already provide a working structure for ‘cool stuff,’ and it’s an extremely efficient one which rewards player ingenuity. I feel like the two systems might not mesh well with one another. Despite not wanting to use Gustie’s system, though, I do want to try something a little more colorful than the basic double damage / critical miss system that Pathfinder uses.
For the last few weeks, Brendan’s Vaults of Pahvelorn game has been using a pair of tables he got from a Lammantations of the Flame Princess supplement. I don’t own LotFP, so I can’t speak to the table’s full content. But anytime a 1 or a 20 is rolled, Brendan asks us to roll a 30 sided die, and something wonderful, or terrible, results. I’ve been fascinated to watch how this table has affected the group. We’re all on the edge of our seat, waiting to find out what the d30’s roll will produce–and there have been some doozies. Like the time one of us rolled a 20, which resulted in a miss, but they then ‘learned from it,’ and gained 1 point to their wisdom score. Or the time one of the party’s cleric’s was granted a new level on the spot.
We’ve had an immense amount of fun with the LotFP tables. But for my Pathfinder games, I wanted to find something a little more grounded. That’s when I discovered a post on Delta’s D&D Hotspot with some fantastic tables from an old dragon magazine. You should definitely take a moment to look over those tables. They’re very nearly perfect. All I’ve done below is parse them down from four charts, to two. And from a d%, to a d30.
Note that a little creativity, and judgement is required from the GM when using these tables. What does it mean in game terms when an orc loses an eye? (Perhaps they’re easier to backstab or flank)? What exactly happens to a shortbow when it’s damaged? (Perhaps the character cannot bend it as far without breaking it, and thus the bow’s range is reduced by half)? I’ve tried to predict circumstances which would make any of the results invalid, and provide contingencies for them. But if you choose to use these tables, I’m sure you’ll discover a few that I missed, and need to either re-roll, or make a judgement call.
Critical Hits (Roll 1d30)
Any attack roll of 20 is a critical hit. Any other other attack roll within critical range must be confirmed as per Pathfinder’s rules.
1-10) Standard critical damage as indicated by the weapon type.
11-15) Critical multiplier increased by 1. (If a weapon deals double damage on a critical hit, then it would deal triple damage. If the weapon deals triple damage, then it would deal quadruple damage, and so on.)
16) Normal damage, and weapon is knocked from the opponent’s hands. (If enemy uses natural weapons, such as a bite attack, those weapons are damaged and rendered unusable.)
17) Normal damage, and opponent’s shield is knocked out of their hands. (If no shield is present, weapon is knocked away instead, as described for 16)
18) Normal damage, plus opponent’s armor (or natural armor) is damaged, reducing its AC bonus by 1. Armor can be repaired for 1/2 base cost. (If armor is magical, re-roll.)
19) Normal damage, plus the opponent’s ear is struck, and destroyed. (If the target is wearing a helm, attack deals normal damage, and helm is knocked off.)
20) Normal damage, plus the opponent’s eye is struck, and destroyed. (If the target is wearing a helm, attack deals normal damage and helm is knocked off.)
21) Normal damage, plus the opponent’s knee is struck. They are reduced to 1/2 movement speed.
22) Critical damage, plus the opponent’s right arm is destroyed (Either cut off, or damaged beyond usability).
23) Critical damage, plus the opponent’s left arm is destroyed (Either cut off, or damaged beyond usability).
24) Critical damage, plus the opponent’s right leg is destroyed (Either cut off, or damaged beyond usability).
25) Critical damage, plus the opponent’s left leg is destroyed (Either cut off, or damaged beyond usability).
26) Critical damage, plus severe damage to the abdomen. (Heavy bleeding, either from a wound, or internally). Target will continue to lose 10 hp every turn (10 minutes) until bbleeding is stopped.
27) Critical damage, plus severe damage to one of the target’s lungs. Target is left gasping on the ground until tended to. Suffers a permanent loss of 4 Constitution (which also causes a loss of 2hp/level). This ability loss is from the destruction of a lung, and cannot be recovered by anything less than a Regenerate spell.
28) The attack strikes the chest, and severely damages the heart. The target is immediately reduced to -1 hp.
29) The attack strikes the head. The target immediately drops to -1 hp and suffers the permanent loss of 4 Wisdom. This ability loss is from brain damage, and cannot be recovered by anything less than a Regenerate spell. (If the target is wearing a helmet, this attack instead deals critical damage, and knocks the helmet from the target’s head).
30) Roll twice.
Critical Fumble (Roll 1d30)
Any attack roll of 1 is a critical fumble.
1-10) Complete miss.
11-12) Fumbler’s movements put them off balance. They take a -1 penalty to their armor class for the next round.
13) Fumbler’s movements put them severely off balance. They lose Dexterity, Shield, and Dodge bonuses to AC for the next round. If losing these bonuses does not reduce the fumbler’s AC, then they still must take a -1 penalty.
14-15) Fumbler trips, and falls prone.
16) Fumbler trips, falls prone, and strikes their head. Stunned for 1d4 rounds. (If fumbler is wearing a helmet, then they are not stunned, but their helmet is knocked off).
17-18) Weapon is damaged and loses some of its effectiveness, but is still usable. Specifics are up to the GM. Weapon can be repaired for 1/2 of the weapon’s base cost. (Magical weapons are unaffected, and merely miss).
19) Weapon is damaged and loses some of its effectiveness, but is still usable. Specifics are up to the GM. Weapon can be repaired for 1/2 base cost. This includes magical weapons.
20-21) Weapon is destroyed. Can be reassembled for 3/4 of the weapon’s base cost. (Magical weapons are unaffected, and merely miss).
22) Weapon is destroyed. Can be reassembled for 3/4 of the weapon’s base cost. This includes magical weapons.
23) Weapon is dropped.
24) Weapon is sent flying.
25) Shield is dropped. (If no shield is held, weapon is dropped).
26) Fumbler twists their ankle, and is reduced to 1/2 speed until they have a day to rest.
27) If fumbler wears a helm, it becomes twisted, leaving them unable to see. (If no helm is worn, this is simply a miss).
28) A nearby ally is struck for 1/2 damage. (If no ally is nearby, this is merely a miss).
29) A nearby ally is struck for normal damage. (If no ally is nearby, this is merely a miss).
30) Roll Twice.
Those Dragon tables are great.
In your implementation, would monsters get a roll too, or just for PCs?
Both monsters and PCs would get a roll, yes.
Okay that’s weird.. Are my comments not going through or something? :\
Perhaps. I’m not sure if it would be your computer locally, or my hosting service, though.
This one went through okay!
Seems to be a size issue.. not sure what the problem is and I don’t want to inundate you with posts ’cause I write marathons. Or would it be fine to reply to my replies? Ahah.. :\
Well feel free to post two comments if one is too small. =P
I really like these charts! I’m stealing them for my Rise of the Runelords game, but yeah, crit charts can really suck if your DM is a dickhead about it. I once had a fighter go braindead from repeated critical punches in the skull, guy had this look like “Yeah I’m fuckin’ you up, whatcha gonna do about it?” ugh.
Another good system I really like to use is the Exalted Stunting system, which allows Heroes (like the PCs) to describe their actions dramatically to get bonus d6s to the roll. I really like it and it mostly works out in the context of Pathfinder. For spells, which was harder to figure, I give the d6s to Caster Level or sometimes if I’m feeling zesty I count ’em as d3s and add ’em to the DCs of the spell.
Which I would really love to link you to, but I can’t figure out a way to make it post the actual link. I’ve tried like three times, maybe that was what was messing it up. :\
Fumble tables penalize those that get more attacks per round. Most often these are higher level player characters. Why should a higher level character have more chances to screw-up than a low level character? While I like critical success charts I do not like the idea of critical fumble charts.
But critical ranges are often larger than 5%, while the fumble range is never anything but 5%. While many weapons crit on rolls of 19-20, and some even on rolls of 18-20. Combine that with the level 20 “Weapon Mastery” ability that a fighter gets, and a high level fighter can have as much as a 20% chance to crit, and only a 5% chance to fumble.
If you prefer to only use the critical chart, that is of course fine.
More attacks means more chances of rolling that 5%. Whereas a 1st level fight only has one chance to roll that 5%. So high level fighters are being penalized for having multiple attacks. Which seems bizarre and counter-intuitive. High level fighters should have *less* chance of fumbling.
Ah! I see your point.
Perhaps a rule could be adopted that a character can only fumble an attack made at their lowest base attack bonus?
Alternatively, you could negate the rule that 1 always fails, and rule that rolling a 1 and missing results in a fumble (and a roll on the chart). There’s a middle ground (I think – I didn’t do the math) where you might be more likely to fumble; but taking away the auto-fail makes it less likely that your high-level characters are going to fumble more often.
Um … this is just cruel! I mean who the heck has a d30 lying around!? Do d30’s even exist!?
They do exist, yes:
http://www.amazon.com/Koplow-Games-06474-Sided-Dice/dp/B0017KGA0G
Not everyone has one lying around, of course, but I do. As do many of the people I play with. They’re actually rather popular with OSR gamers, it seems.
Easy to simulate with d6 + d10 also.
d6 = 1 – 2: use d10
d6 = 3 – 4: use d10 + 10
d6 = 5 – 6: use d10 + 20
i find that when faced with the problem of this 30 chart that the PC should roll a d20 and a d10 and add those rolls together. but, that is just personal opinion.
Which creates a bell curve with a peak at around 11.
d6 = 1 – 2: use d10
d6 = 3 – 4: use d10 + 10
d6 = 5 – 6: use d10 + 20
Creates a bell curve with a peak at around 11.
d20 + d10
creates a peak between 11 and 21
The counter argument to the concern about higher level fighters having more chances to fumble is quite obvious… they have an equally bigger chance to crit as well. Which is enhanced even further by the increased crit ranges typical to the class. So it more than compensates.
You could just say no more than one crit and/or fumble per round. And if both happen it could be like offsetting penalties. But them you miss a golden opportunity for something amazing to happen.
All crits and fumbles should be described cinematically. It’s a prime opportunity to make really memorable moments at the table.
Wedgie
Over the decades of TTRPG evolution there have been dozens of versions of critical hit and fumble tables created in many systems. Some are incredibly elaborate, and others try to strip things down to a quick and dirty method. Dms and Gms seem to like them the most, but most players I’ve encountered do enjoy the Crit side of things when it comes their way.
A long (long) time ago I played with a DM who had a simple method to deal with whether a natural 1 was a fumble or just a miss using a d20 confirmation roll similar to Pathfinder’s Critical Threat confirmation. If your Fumble confirmation roll was equal to your level or less, it was just a miss. This helps address the issue of high level fighters with multiple attacks having an increased risk of fumbling due to increased rolls. I also like the idea that you can only fumble once in a round, regardless.
I’m so glad I found this page! I’m running a Pathfinder 2e game and we had our first critical failure. When reading through the Core Rulebook, I really didn’t like what I was seeing. A Google search led me here and I love your tables. Will definitely be using them going forward.
~ Hedgeknight
I’m glad they’ve been useful to you!